AV vote should be good for Wales

Mary Ann Sieghart, in today’s Independent, urges us to “Vote Yes for evolution, not revolution”. 

The article, in truth, adds little to the debate as to the rival merits of the Alternative Vote and First Past the Post electoral systems.    Sieghart’s principal argument is the perennial one of the pro-AV lobby, that FPP is “unfair”:

For much of my life, I’ve been doomed to live in places where my vote doesn’t count. Voting for my preferred party has been as useful as tearing up my ballot paper and scattering it like confetti over the canvassers.

The speciousness of the argument is immediately obvious.  Ms Sieghart’s vote counts precisely as much as anyone else’s.  Her problem is that, in the areas in which she has chosen to live, her party hasn’t been sufficiently popular.  That is unfortunate for Ms Sieghart and a good reason  for her to work hard to help increase its local popularity, not for changing the electoral system. 

Sieghart goes on to explain how  AV would improve “fairness”:

Most annoyingly for the voter, it often forces us to vote dishonestly. We can’t cast a ballot for the party we want, but instead have to vote tactically for the party that has the best chance of beating the party we like least. This in itself relies on making assumptions about which party is currently in second place and how other voters in the constituency are likely to act on those assumptions.

Under AV, no vote is a wasted vote. If you want to vote Green or Lib Dem or Monster Raving Loony Party, that’s fine. You can happily put a ’1′ by the party you like best, in the knowledge that your ’2′ and ’3′ will also help to influence the result. The tellers count your votes and – at last – your vote counts.

That argument, too, is well-rehearsed and is also specious.  What Sieghart is saying, in effect, is that, rather than casting your single vote in a way that is, in her terms, “dishonest” under FPP, you should do precisely that with your second vote under AV.  And then do it again with your third vote. 

That, of course, would make sense to someone such as Sieghart, who is a self-confessed third party supporter, because AV is a system weighted in favour of third parties.  But it is an argument for skewed third party political advantage, not for anything that might reasonably be called  fairness.

So nothing really new from Ms Sieghart and, ordinarily, I wouldn’t have commented on her article, had it not been for her display of ignorance of the way politics works in Wales:

Then the Conservatives on the right point to the “danger” of the referendum being carried by Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish votes. Because the devolved assemblies and parliament are up for election next week, voters there are more likely to turn out. They are also more likely to vote “yes” to AV because they have seen different voting systems in action and have experienced their perfectly sensible results.

Actually, most Conservatives I know welcome the fact that the referendum is being held on the same day as the Assembly election.  Since devolution was instituted, voters in Wales have shown a distinct lack of engagement with Assembly elections, a matter of concern to all political parties.  In 2007, turnout was only 43.3 per cent and in no election has it reached 50 per cent.

Having canvassed for Conservative candidates across North Wales over the last few days, I can say that there is considerable interest in the referendum and I am pretty sure that voters will turn out to express their opinion on AV.  That should, in turn,  boost turnout in the Assembly election, which can only be a good thing. 

But for Ms Sieghart to suggest that the Welsh will embrace AV because of their unqualified enthusiasm for the exquisite intricacies of the D’Hondt system of proportional representation is to take speciousness to a wholly new level.

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2 Responses to AV vote should be good for Wales

  1. AV v FPTP UK ‘BOGUS REFERENDUM’ NEWS UPDATE!

    The proposed AV v FPTP UK Referendum consists of a contrived and simplistic bipolar choice of only two inadequate options set against unfit UK Electoral Law, unfit UK Electoral Registers and unfit UK Election Returning Officer negligible powers of cross-constituency scrutiny. Election Returning Officers will be unable to guarantee ‘One Person-One Vote’ nor to sign off ANY part of such a referendum as ‘true’, ‘democratic’, ‘free’ or ‘fair’.

    Here are fundamental AV v FPTP BOGUS REFERENDUM flaws:

    1. UK Electoral Law – NOT ‘fit for purpose’.
    2. UK Electoral Registers – NOT ‘fit for purpose’.
    3. UK CERO powers – NOT ‘fit for purpose’.

    A UK REFERENDUM MUST, ON PRINCIPLE, BE GUARANTEED TO BE VERIFIABLY AND GENUINELY ‘ONE PERSON-ONE VOTE’.

    IF THIS AV v FPTP BOGUS REFERENDUM IS ATTEMPTED IT WILL NOT BE.

    BOGUS UK ELECTORAL REGISTERS = BOGUS REFERENDUM:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/06/second_home_voters_1.html
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/06/secret_ballots_and_second_home.html
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/06/worried_about_second_home_vote.html
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/06/kevins_too_busy_to_probe_secon.html
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/06/game_on.html
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/06/a_letter_to_the_chief.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/grahamsmith/2011/04/some_second_home_voters_purged.html

    In the face of such corrupt and non-democratic electoral foundations, these may be the only rational responses to the RUBBISH REFERENDUM:

    BOYCOTT THE LIBERAL DEMOCRAT CONSERVATIVE PARTY CAMERON CLEGG COALITION BOGUS AV v FPTP REFERENDUM.

    OR

    SPOIL YOUR BALLOT PAPER WITH A SUITABLY CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENT IN RESPONSE TO THE BOGUS AV v FPTP UK REFERENDUM – A LIBDEMCON COALITION CON.

    NOTE: ALL SPOILED BALLOT PAPERS HAVE TO BE RECORDED AND NUMBERS PUBLISHED.

  2. David Curtis

    Good evening

    I have heard all the arguments for and against Alternative Vote but cannot believe that nobody has
    talked about the real problem with AV

    We have all heard the Yes to AV side saying that it is the system used by various political parties to choose a leader
    and that therefore it must be right that the public get to use it to decide which person wins and becomes an MP.

    The real issue is this

    In political parties each MP and member knows each of the candidates very well indeed and therefore can rate them
    in order of preference.

    In elections let us be honest, we may know one or two at most of the persons wishing to become an MP but we do not know
    them well enough to rate them against each other as a preference.

    The perverse issue is however that if AV is chosen as the way forward, people will be given the opportunity to make choices
    and therefore because they can they will do so.

    Alternative vote when people do not know the candidates very well is a perverse system. People will try to make it work
    if it is chosen, the public will make the decision that they are asked to make.

    It is the outcome which is a lottery and is being exploited by the Yes to AV group.

    If AV wins the day, will Britain get the Government it deserves? I don’t think so.

    Regards
    David Curtis

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